erol wrote:
When someone, anyone, be that TR or ETS or anyone else who professes to be genuinely concerned with 'learning the lessons' from these cases in order to stop them occurring again focuses and repeatedly talks about only the factor that is about race and does not give equal or near equal time to the other factor that is NOT about race, then questioning how sincere their commitment to 'learning the lessons' from these cases to prevent such failings happening again really is, is natural, sensible and pretty much inevitable. When they also have a long history of agendas that are all to about race and they do this, then the only sensible conclusion I can draw is that whilst they may profess to be concerned about 'learning the lessons' from these cases in order to prevent re occurrence, by ignoring important and crucial factors that are NOT to do with race, they show to me that actually they are just exploiting these tragic events and failures to further an agenda that is nothing to do with protecting children
I wondered when the racist chestnut would rear it’s head.
Strangely I am actually am concerned about child rape no matter who the perpetrator. As for me having a long history of agendas that are all to do about race that is nonsense.
I admit to having an agenda about the epidemic of knife crime too. The fact that I am not blind to the fact that the majority of it is committed by young black males. It isn’t me using it as an excuse to have a go about black people because I am also aware that a young black male is statistically most likely to be the victim of knife crime. So some robust policing might save some lives, the majority of them black.
Yes it may infringe on some civil liberties to a point but we can save lives or chin stroke and theorise.
There has always been pedophilia or the exploitation of young children.
The Saville case showed that it can be brushed under the carpet for political/expedient reasons. What I would say is that Saville and others were people of influence/establishment figures and then appears to be the reason the police ignored all the warning signs and dragged their feet.
The perpetrators in Rotherham etc etc were mini cab drivers and kebab shop owners so the only conceivable reason that the police ignored the cases was due to racial reasons.
Now I know you are a reasonable man but I do think you are naïve. You have your news drip fed to you by The Guardian but won’t admit that they just might have their own agenda. If you want to know what a Guardian reader thinks, buy the Guardian, you’ll get a free crossword thrown in.
I remember pointing out to you how strange it was that they did not cover the story at all of the guy who got a suspended sentence for threatening/attacking someone with a zombie knife. This was a story that was a major story in every other paper.
I fully admit that Tommy Robinson is a bigot and has an agenda and a story drops right into his lap. What I can also see is that by giving him this sentence the authorities have played right into his hands. There have been many trials which the press have interfered with, I am struggling to remember another case where anyone went to prison. I would also be interested if anyone else has been sent to Belmarsh for what will be a ten week sentence or for something other than murder, terrorism or crimes that rank in the top rank of misdemeanors. Personally Robinson can spend the rest of his life in prison as far as I am concerned, he won’t be a loss.
But what I can clearly see which the left can’t is that by doing this you will magnify him. How did sending Hitler to prison in 1924 work out?
My point on this was there appears to be some parts of Islam that are incompatible with western secular life. That is not me being Islamaphobic, I personally was born a Catholic and freely admit that there are parts of Catholicism that cannot fit into western secular life. I would also say that there have been too many of these child grooming gang cases for us not to see there is a problem there.
The left’s rush to label every person a fascist just diminishes the term until it has no meaning.
We had a recent incident when The Brexit Party turned their back on the EU anthem. This was immediately likened to the Nazis turning their back on the speaker in the Reichstag. Brexit = Nazi.
This is a form of protest that is not owned by the Nazis. Our veterans turned their back on Hirohito a few years ago, are they Nazis?
What is interesting about the Nazis protest is that they were turning their back on a speaker from the KDP, the German communist party. Back in the twenties the Weimar Republic wasn’t doing a great job and Germany could have gone either way, Nazi or Communist.
The KDP would label the Social Democrats, social fascists which made it impossible for them to work together and unify against Hitler and The Nazis. So the Nazis got in banned the KDP swiftly followed by the Social Democrats. Ironic eh?
The UK isn’t lurching to the right but keep brushing off ordinary people’s concerns and you will drive people to the likes of Robinson. People are getting a little tired of being told how to live their lives by the patronising liberal elite.
I know many Americans, they aren’t all stupid. They know Trump is a buffoon but the alternative was Hilary Clinton. If next time they put Bernie Sanders against him he will win again.
Most people are easy going and just want to get on with life but I don't think they are going to remain the obedient subjects needed for this project. If they have been robbed this year and many people they know have been robbed, then don’t be surprised if they don’t buy into your statistics that crime is going down. You can dismiss their evidence as anecdotal whereas your statistics come from an “independent” source. Good luck with that long term.
As for an example of bayonetting the wounded.
Most people aren’t homophopic, many probably don’t have an opinion one way or the other.
Most people are fair, if you say it’s fair that homosexuality should be legalised then they will go along with it. Homosexuals should have equal pension rights. Why not. Some men want to live their life as a woman. Can’t see it but whatever.
Where the problem occurs is when people with an agenda seem to want to push things immediately into an Alice in Wonderland scenario.
EG;
Reg wants to be known as Loretta. Yeah whatever.
Oh you know you agreed that we should build separate changing rooms, that’s not enough, he demands to change in the same changing room as your granddaughter. Now I have a problem with Reg/Loretta.
I’m so sorry a lot of these SJWs missed the gay rights, black rights and women’s rights struggles but apart from a bit of tweaking the wars have been won there so find a new REAL struggle.