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Theresa May has said we are leaving the SM..and more or less the Customs Union. ........way to go girl.

Excellent news.

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That's what we want. Bring it on.

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So there you have it,...
For those who said there was no plan or strategy I think its very clear what is going to happen in the next few years.

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turtle wrote:So there you have it,...
For those who said there was no plan or strategy I think its very clear what is going to happen in the next few years.

On the economy, we learned nothing new: Besides offering a roundup of May and her Conservative government’s broad ambitions for Brexit, most of which had been leaked or announced much earlier, we learned nothing new today that adds any colour to our economic outlook for Brexit. Critical details on the government’s intended future rules for migration, or its ambitions for the length and nature of a transitional agreement for Brexit, are still missing.

Clear as mud but I hope it does come good at least economically. On security and cohesion I feel the damage has been done and a clear signal of non cooperation has been sent to Europe.

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Waz , you really do need to stop your doooooom blubbering, .. Mrs May and her team will do us a good job removing us from the EU ... She cannot and should not release all the negotiation until she is around the table with the "head in the sand" EU muppets ! ....

bring it on ...........

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On the economy, we learned nothing new: Besides offering a roundup of May and her Conservative government’s broad ambitions for Brexit, most of which had been leaked or announced much earlier, we learned nothing new today that adds any colour to our economic outlook for Brexit.
Im not really sure what more she can do until she has started any negotiations or are you saying all agreements should be already concluded ?
Critical details on the government’s intended future rules for migration, or its ambitions for the length and nature of a transitional agreement for Brexit, are still missing.
I'm sure I heard her say she was taking back control of our borders and lawmaking or did I imagine that ?
Clear as mud but I hope it does come good at least economically.
Waz did you actually watch the speech,... she was perfectly clear to me,.... we are out what more do you want to hear

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in 1999 the territorial "empire" did end (Hong Kong given back to China), 2017 the "remainders of an economic empire" seem to end as well.
the UK is a tax haven already and the (super) rich have too much influence..... (the richest 1% hold 25% of your countries whealth, the richest 10% hold 70%)
trickle down does not work!! it was a lie, everybody should know that.
next target: introduce even lower company taxes, lower capital taxes and so on... and become the playball of the super rich.
great.
it seems you are really doooomed.

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On the economy, we learned nothing new: Besides offering a roundup of May and her Conservative government’s broad ambitions for Brexit, most of which had been leaked or announced much earlier, we learned nothing new today that adds any colour to our economic outlook for Brexit.
Im not really sure what more she can do until she has started any negotiations or are you saying all agreements should be already concluded ?
Critical details on the government’s intended future rules for migration, or its ambitions for the length and nature of a transitional agreement for Brexit, are still missing.
I'm sure I heard her say she was taking back control of our borders and lawmaking or did I imagine that ?
Clear as mud but I hope it does come good at least economically.
Waz did you actually watch the speech,... she was perfectly clear to me,.... we are out what more do you want to hear
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I have indeed watched the speech. That is precisely what it was and ONLY that. I am certain that the said speech alone is not a plan. I await the clear proposals and manifesto after a parliamentary vote subsequent to article 50.
One would be very short sighted indeed to consider its all fine clear after a political speech. I do believe you have done exactly that without expressing any need for detail on how the agenda will be implemented.
Given that. The lady remains focused and I expect rather nervous now the hard brexit appears the basis of her plan.

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geroff wrote:Waz , you really do need to stop your doooooom blubbering, .. Mrs May and her team will do us a good job removing us from the EU ... She cannot and should not release all the negotiation until she is around the table with the "head in the sand" EU muppets ! ....

bring it on ...........

I am certain she will indeed do her best. Only glad it;s not you or Mr Farage there because failure would be certain given both persons clear opinions of Europe and obvious disdain against the EU.

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kibsolar1999 wrote:in 1999 the territorial "empire" did end (Hong Kong given back to China), 2017 the "remainders of an economic empire" seem to end as well.
the UK is a tax haven already and the (super) rich have too much influence..... (the richest 1% hold 25% of your countries whealth, the richest 10% hold 70%)
trickle down does not work!! it was a lie, everybody should know that.
next target: introduce even lower company taxes, lower capital taxes and so on... and become the playball of the super rich.
great.
it seems you are really doooomed.
Valid point,
Given the increased appearance of right wing political entities within Europe and indeed the anti European agenda of many within say the UK.
The field of opportunity is clearly in favour of the wealthy. Tax laws in general and tax upon the wealthy will, in the UK, be firmly aligned with the right wing conservative government for some time to come. Workers rights under EU law will soon disappear to suit right wing ruling party agendas.
I think that many anti European voters and supporters have failed to see this underlying trend and many socialists and common working people have been sold down the river. The UK labour Party is a failed force. UKIP and moderate right wing parties are now well entrenched for some time to come and rest assured the wealthy and super wealthy will take full advantage.

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Aaaaw give over waz, your ramblings are so boring, yes im totally against the EU, have been for years ..
Have you been to Brussels to see how they treat our country? Have you been affected by their rediculace rules? Have you a business that was nearly threatened with ruin because those in power wanted to give contracts to Germany, France and a few other favoured countries? ... no I thought not .... well, my excitement for our country and our future children's live hoods cant be greater ...

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Get ready for Tuesday people. Theresa May to make major speech on Brexit, the single market and the EU law...... Watch the pound then ? - Now who was it who said that?

Considering that on the 11th of this month I received 1.141 euros for my 1 pound and that I am watching the pound in its meteoric rise today to 1.157 euros to the 1 pound - a rise of 0.016 cents - please tell me what I am watching for?

More importantly please tell me how Theresa Mays oration of today describing what she wants - this without asking the EU or taking any other actions apart from telling the world what they already knew - has become a life changing event for me?

oh and Turtle - in answer to your question - my children are struggling now with low wages and rising prices in the UK.
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waz-24-7 wrote:
kibsolar1999 wrote:in 1999 the territorial "empire" did end (Hong Kong given back to China), 2017 the "remainders of an economic empire" seem to end as well.
the UK is a tax haven already and the (super) rich have too much influence..... (the richest 1% hold 25% of your countries whealth, the richest 10% hold 70%)
trickle down does not work!! it was a lie, everybody should know that.
next target: introduce even lower company taxes, lower capital taxes and so on... and become the playball of the super rich.
great.
it seems you are really doooomed.
Valid point,
Given the increased appearance of right wing political entities within Europe and indeed the anti European agenda of many within say the UK.
The field of opportunity is clearly in favour of the wealthy. Tax laws in general and tax upon the wealthy will, in the UK, be firmly aligned with the right wing conservative government for some time to come. Workers rights under EU law will soon disappear to suit right wing ruling party agendas.
I think that many anti European voters and supporters have failed to see this underlying trend and many socialists and common working people have been sold down the river. The UK labour Party is a failed force. UKIP and moderate right wing parties are now well entrenched for some time to come and rest assured the wealthy and super wealthy will take full advantage.
Not all Brexit voters are raving right wing activists nor are they anti European .

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Considering that on the 11th of this month I received 1.141 euros for my 1 pound and that I am watching the pound in its meteoric rise today to 1.157 euros to the 1 pound - a rise of 0.016 cents - please tell me what I am watching for?
I was being sarcastic about the the pound,...you obviously missed that ?
oh and Turtle - in answer to your question - my children are struggling now with low wages and rising prices in the UK.
Low wagers ?... and that is while we are in the EU,... please highlight what prices have gone up please

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geroff wrote:Aaaaw give over waz, your ramblings are so boring, yes im totally against the EU, have been for years ..
Have you been to Brussels to see how they treat our country? Have you been affected by their rediculace rules? Have you a business that was nearly threatened with ruin because those in power wanted to give contracts to Germany, France and a few other favoured countries? ... no I thought not .... well, my excitement for our country and our future children's live hoods cant be greater ...

Thank you
I feel very lucky to have experienced peace in Europe for past 50 years. Peace and security in Europe is the biggest and possibly most positive of a European Union. I hope that peace prevails for my children too. Your own ramblings are so 1930s Europe, self indulgent , xenophobic and precisely the recipe for the return to the them and us attitudes that led to the two most destructive wars in history. I doubt your children should relish your clear isolationist non cooperative view of Europe.

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waz-24-7 wrote:
kibsolar1999 wrote:in 1999 the territorial "empire" did end (Hong Kong given back to China), 2017 the "remainders of an economic empire" seem to end as well.
the UK is a tax haven already and the (super) rich have too much influence..... (the richest 1% hold 25% of your countries whealth, the richest 10% hold 70%)
trickle down does not work!! it was a lie, everybody should know that.
next target: introduce even lower company taxes, lower capital taxes and so on... and become the playball of the super rich.
great.
it seems you are really doooomed.
Valid point,
Given the increased appearance of right wing political entities within Europe and indeed the anti European agenda of many within say the UK.
The field of opportunity is clearly in favour of the wealthy. Tax laws in general and tax upon the wealthy will, in the UK, be firmly aligned with the right wing conservative government for some time to come. Workers rights under EU law will soon disappear to suit right wing ruling party agendas.
I think that many anti European voters and supporters have failed to see this underlying trend and many socialists and common working people have been sold down the river. The UK labour Party is a failed force. UKIP and moderate right wing parties are now well entrenched for some time to come and rest assured the wealthy and super wealthy will take full advantage.
Not all Brexit voters are raving right wing activists nor are they anti European .
Agreed on that point.
I certainly did not say they were but the NEW UK is set to favour the wealthy and super wealthy.

My point is that many Labour voters unwittingly moved the political landscape of the UK decidedly to the right by following the far right UKIP camp. Many were far too easily hoodwinked into believing the waffle from the far right wing commentators that wished us out of EU. The middle right and indeed left of right wanted the UK to remain. Right wing politics is firmly entrenched in the Uk and increasingly in other European countries too. This is of concern to me given historical events following ultra right wing agendas and manipulations.

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I would class myself center to left in my views and I voted out ?
Which half baked organisation came up with those stats.

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Well done Theresa May, had the guts and courage to say what was needed to be said now we can move on and become a much better country and the young can have a real future !!

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Peace in Europe? yet another myth nothing to do with The EU, try NATO formed in 1949 well before we joined the EU

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Theresa May, what a man!! (in the best sense of the word)

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You being sarcastic Turtle - never, probably why I missed it - but what were you being sarcastic about? As for a list of price rises - I feel it would be far easier for you to produce a list of items that have not yet risen in price!

Not that it has any bearing on my comment regarding low wages/rising prices for my children - each person lives and works in a different manner, some work just around the corner, some have to commute back and forth, all have to feed, clothe and heat themselves and their families. As prices for consumables are different in each area of the UK, to make a valid point in support of your precis that the UK is on the rise and things are looking rosy for the future, you would first need to take a countrywide survey of all residents incomes/outgoings and current situations. Then and only then could you arrive at any meaningful statistical result which would provide you with a "norm" average, which in turn would allow you to decide if some were either above or below the norm and therefore struggling or not.

A question you may probably have missed - that was not sarcastic in any way - "More importantly please tell me how Theresa Mays oration of today describing what she wants - this without asking the EU or taking any other actions apart from telling the world what they already knew - has become a life changing event for me?" has, as normal, not been answered. I wait in anticipation but will not hold my breath.

I suppose that leaving the single market will have an effect on the UK population but how long will it take and what it will be is still unknown and so far, put quite simply, the only effect on the majority of the UK working population that has been brought about by the Brexit vote is a reduction of 20% in the purchasing power of the pound. As most of UK relies upon imported goods and as most importers are now faced with rising prices and having to start passing on this increase to the consumer, I can only see that belts across the UK will have to tighten even further and that for an unknown period of time! Still, as the saying goes, no gain without pain!
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The UK economic situation does not appear too depressed by the prospect of leaving the EU. In fact, for the 3 months to November 2016 released this morning, unemployment is again down while weekly earnings have increased.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38661443

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A question you may probably have missed - that was not sarcastic in any way - "More importantly please tell me how Theresa Mays oration of today describing what she wants - this without asking the EU or taking any other actions apart from telling the world what they already knew - has become a life changing event for me?" has, as normal, not been answered. I wait in anticipation but will not hold my breath.
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Firstly I think you are on the wrong thread ? but no matter.
I wasn’t aware that you were awaiting an answer from me and to be honest I am not sure if I or anyone else is qualified to tell you how things change your life I would imagine that would be for you to decide ?
I made a post outlining that Mrs May was due to make a speech on moving forward with Brexit what I didn’t say was it was going to be “a life changing event” for anyone so I’m not sure why you would ask that ?
The second part of your question says she made a statement that the world already know anyway….sorry I have to disagree the EU and the world in general have responded to her statement in various forms and the EU have welcomed more clarity of what our intentions are,…whether we get those changes remains to be seen. So really they didn’t already know what she said.
You can stop holding your breath now waddo, I hope this answers your question satisfactory.

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eg , on youtube
the super rich and us, episode 1 and 2 from j. peretti

eg, the average income is approx 26 k in britain. very interesting. but why most of the (incl rising mini ) jobs only earn a 13 to 20 k or much less?
correct: it is the average income.
or.. the poorest 20% pay a little more tax on their gross income as the richest 20%... funny?
or...if your whealth is bigger as (only) approx 35 to 40k, then you are (already) "member" of the richer 50% in your country. the poorer 50% have literally nothing.
or.. The top 0.1% earners are 90% male and 50% of these people are in the 45 to 54 year age group. 31% of these people live in London and 21% in South East England. (they earn approx 800k a year in average, the top 0,01% much more..)

the real problems lay much deeper and can be solved better within the EU. my opinion.

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lilnrob wrote:Message 15
Peace in Europe? yet another myth nothing to do with The EU, try NATO formed in 1949 well before we joined the EU
Peace in Europe is no myth since 1945 progress cooperation and unity has maintained that state.
NATO is primarily a military union of forces for the defence of that Organisation. Its effectiveness has been significantly diluted over past decade. The Union within Europe is more generally focused on Cooperation ; economically, culturally, for prosperity and the better good. It is this European co operation that has developed closer ties between members who most certainly have no need or desire to disrupt the peaceful state we enjoy.

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Turtle - Sorry not on the wrong thread - they all end up the same anyway! As for answers to questions - no. Having already told me nobody could then to ask me if the answers are satisfactory is perfect political hogwash. So you did not say it was going to be a life changing event intimated that it would be moving forward with Brexit - and that is not a life changing event? More smoke an mirrors I am afraid. Hey ho there are still people who fail to swallow the bait I am please to see - good luck with your future.
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I really do not know what you are on about ? .
I suppose it doesn't really matter what I offer in answers to your non questions... it probably would not be enough to satisfy you.
You obviously have some beef with me so I would suggest we take if off board before we both get into trouble,.. PM me if you wish.

I have no wish to read your constant sniping on these threads...it only spoils it for others.

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SussexBoy wrote:The UK economic situation does not appear too depressed by the prospect of leaving the EU. In fact, for the 3 months to November 2016 released this morning, unemployment is again down while weekly earnings have increased.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38661443
Plus the £ is on a 2yr high this morning. Surely a united front now would show Europe that we are strong as a nation.

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geroff wrote:Aaaaw give over waz, your ramblings are so boring, yes im totally against the EU, have been for years ..
Have you been to Brussels to see how they treat our country? Have you been affected by their rediculace rules? Have you a business that was nearly threatened with ruin because those in power wanted to give contracts to Germany, France and a few other favoured countries? ... no I thought not .... well, my excitement for our country and our future children's live hoods cant be greater ...

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I feel very lucky to have experienced peace in Europe for past 50 years. Peace and security in Europe is the biggest and possibly most positive of a European Union. I hope that peace prevails for my children too. Your own ramblings are so 1930s Europe, self indulgent , xenophobic and precisely the recipe for the return to the them and us attitudes that led to the two most destructive wars in history. I doubt your children should relish your clear isolationist non cooperative view of Europe.

What are you on about now waz, peace in Europe really hasnt any thing to do with the EU! .... We will still be in Europe with treaties which are between countries.
All my children and voted Brexit, and grandchildren are all ready benefiting with companies looking to come BACK to GB!! .... I would call your ramblings against GB brexit voters xenophobic and your posts very much against GB!!!...
As for attitudes, I sincerely hope my attitude has helped bring about Brexit .. ..
My non non cooperation views on EU, is brought about by having been to meeting in Brussels who have been a hinderence, not helpful, but a hinderence for GB .... so waz, I speak from actual experience, do you ?

Bring it on ... Brexit for GB , remoaners need to start backing GB as democracy still rules ....

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You clearly have an opinion. Rather short term and understandably hopeful. Peace in Europe has everything to do with the Union and cooperation within the European continent. If you cannot see that then I fear your time in Brussels was very much wasted. I wonder how you might see the Europe of the next 50 yrs given all your experience? This is what your grandchildren will inherit or will they simply be confined to the shores of the UK. Indeed your clear discontent in Brussels is just the type of turmoil reminiscent of 1914 and 1939 discontentment.

Not withstanding the above. I remain absolutely a member of the United Kingdom but also I embrace the fundamental philosophy and advantages that come with a United Europe.

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Waz , I asked you a question, but you have ignored it...
A united EU is again nothing to do with Europe !..... The EU has become cumbersome as most of us can see, you Waz dont want to understand or can understand why we wanted to get out, it might be hard for a while, but no pain no gain ...
If it distresses you so much Waz that most of us do not want to belong to this over bearing club, I suggest you go forth and move to where you will feel at home , Germany or France or some other EU country that is floundering as Greece, Italy ..

You say you will stay in GB, well, get behind it then man, and stop your moaning .....

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geroff wrote:Waz , I asked you a question, but you have ignored it...
A united EU is again nothing to do with Europe !..... The EU has become cumbersome as most of us can see, you Waz dont want to understand or can understand why we wanted to get out, it might be hard for a while, but no pain no gain ...
If it distresses you so much Waz that most of us do not want to belong to this over bearing club, I suggest you go forth and move to where you will feel at home , Germany or France or some other EU country that is floundering as Greece, Italy ..

You say you will stay in GB, well, get behind it then man, and stop your moaning .....
I do believe it is you that are moaning !!
I am simply offering an opinion which you clearly have a need to complain and moan about.
Some factual and thought out comments would be far better appreciated.
In answer to your question. Experience? I have visited Brussels on three occasions though not to the European parliament. I have travelled to just about every European country. In every one, I have always been welcomed. I have enjoyed the cultural and enlightening experience. I have done and do business within Europe just about every single day. I employ European immigrants and my two daughters have both studied in France and Italy under European educational exchange schemes. Yes I have experience!!

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Waz , then use it for a positive out look, man, cos some of us get to them stage of dispare and wonder what planet you really want to live on!... what you call information and factual is your opinion, ...
Having traveled Europe and many other countries out side of the EU, of course they make you welcome, they want yer money stupid man ...lol.... ...
You just make me laugh with your dooooomed predictions ... fact, no not laugh, thats a bit cruel, I feel sorry for you ,


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topten wrote: Plus the £ is on a 2yr high this morning.
I wish

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[quote="sammydavis"]Theresa May, what a man!! (in the best sense of the word)[/quot

Or, as James Bond said of the new "M" - 'She's got balls' .

( No, NOT Ed.)

Am I the only one who gets a feeling of deja vu when I see or hear Theresa May? Whatever the rights and wrong of Brexit, or the outcome, I suspect we have got us here another lady who is not for turning!

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Ragged Robin wrote:
sammydavis wrote:Theresa May, what a man!! (in the best sense of the word)[/quot

Or, as James Bond said of the new "M" - 'She's got balls' .

( No, NOT Ed.)

Am I the only one who gets a feeling of deja vu when I see or hear Theresa May? Whatever the rights and wrong of Brexit, or the outcome, I suspect we have got us here another lady who is not for turning!
Yes indeed. I think that is a fine and correct comparison.
She is certainly sending a clear message that in purely political terms is drawing a line in the sand.
I do hope the negotiating troops will carry the baton in a similar fashion.
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geroff wrote:Waz , then use it for a positive out look, man, cos some of us get to them stage of dispare and wonder what planet you really want to live on!... what you call information and factual is your opinion, ...
Having traveled Europe and many other countries out side of the EU, of course they make you welcome, they want yer money stupid man ...lol.... ...
You just make me laugh with your dooooomed predictions ... fact, no not laugh, thats a bit cruel, I feel sorry for you ,
Not very inspiring.
All foreigners are simply after yer money then ?. That indeed is a very sad. outlook. If you think me stupid then you sir are a poor old fool. Perhaps you best stay in the UK, lock your doors just incase some brits may also want yer money!!

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Ragged Robin wrote: Am I the only one who gets a feeling of deja vu when I see or hear Theresa May?
......I suspect we have got us here another lady who is not for turning!
To use an old title

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waz-24-7 wrote:
geroff wrote:Waz , then use it for a positive out look, man, cos some of us get to them stage of dispare and wonder what planet you really want to live on!... what you call information and factual is your opinion, ...
Having traveled Europe and many other countries out side of the EU, of course they make you welcome, they want yer money stupid man ...lol.... ...
You just make me laugh with your dooooomed predictions ... fact, no not laugh, thats a bit cruel, I feel sorry for you ,
Not very inspiring.
All foreigners are simply after yer money then ?. That indeed is a very sad. outlook. If you think me stupid then you sir are a poor old fool. Perhaps you best stay in the UK, lock your doors just incase some brits may also want yer money!!
Waz ... now you really have made me laugh ...

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To use an old title

Sorry. I distance myself from the rhetoric published by the Daily Mail
To Make the EU pay is not going to help the UK in any way at all. It will only damage both the UK and the EU.
This level of tabloid despise of anything European is worrying to me.
Certainly a hard but fair negotiating strategy is clearly the beginnings of a plan. To alienate entirely and seek to damage the EU as if in spite is destined to inflict damage on all.

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geroff wrote:
waz-24-7 wrote:
geroff wrote:Waz , then use it for a positive out look, man, cos some of us get to them stage of dispare and wonder what planet you really want to live on!... what you call information and factual is your opinion, ...
Having traveled Europe and many other countries out side of the EU, of course they make you welcome, they want yer money stupid man ...lol.... ...
You just make me laugh with your dooooomed predictions ... fact, no not laugh, thats a bit cruel, I feel sorry for you ,
Not very inspiring.
All foreigners are simply after yer money then ?. That indeed is a very sad. outlook. If you think me stupid then you sir are a poor old fool. Perhaps you best stay in the UK, lock your doors just incase some brits may also want yer money!!
Waz ... now you really have made me laugh ...

Well, that at least is slightly more encouraging.

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Perhaps if the EU hadn't demanded £60billion on exit there may have been a bit more goodwill ?

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waz-24-7 wrote:To use an old title
Sorry. I distance myself from the rhetoric published by the Daily Mail....
Don't worry; I never take much notice of the Fairy Tale (sorry; Daily Mail) - I just noticed the headline while I was shopping, and was merely referring to the portion of the headline ("Iron Lady") - similar to Ragged Robin's reference...
...Something that has just come to mind; many, MANY years ago, a (parents') family friend gave me a "Golden Jubilee Book of The Daily Mail" (1896-1946) - he worked there in the 40s and 50s, he's now probably spinning in his grave after what the paper has become...

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turtle wrote:Perhaps if the EU hadn't demanded £60billion on exit there may have been a bit more goodwill ?

The bill which will indeed be large it is for accepted liabilities. The bill would include the UK’s share of outstanding pensions liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects.
There is substance in the bill and certainly EU development projects within the UK over past decade have improved many deprived regions that are outside of the south east of UK.
In particular the regions of South East Wales and the North East have had numerous advantageous EU investments.

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ie Give £100.oo to the EU. It returns £50.00 - and this is called one of the "numerous advantageous investments".

What a load of baloney!

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waz-24-7 wrote:
turtle wrote:Perhaps if the EU hadn't demanded £60billion on exit there may have been a bit more goodwill ?

The bill which will indeed be large it is for accepted liabilities. The bill would include the UK’s share of outstanding pensions liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects.
There is substance in the bill and certainly EU development projects within the UK over past decade have improved many deprived regions that are outside of the south east of UK.
In particular the regions of South East Wales and the North East have had numerous advantageous EU investments.
Waz, you go on about projects with in the UK etc etc, there are so many investments that have been funded by the EU which are complete failures! .. wasted money, fat cats taking money from the EU! Project managers lining their own pockets, so much of the money goes into the wrong hands.
Just look at the wasted money that has been put into NC, walls are built then knocked down, pavements
built going no where, its a complete joke ... .... GB tax payers money wasted ... ...

The sooner the better when GB can fund its own projects ... .....

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waz-24-7 wrote:
turtle wrote:Perhaps if the EU hadn't demanded £60billion on exit there may have been a bit more goodwill ?

The bill which will indeed be large it is for accepted liabilities. The bill would include the UK’s share of outstanding pensions liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects.
There is substance in the bill and certainly EU development projects within the UK over past decade have improved many deprived regions that are outside of the south east of UK.
In particular the regions of South East Wales and the North East have had numerous advantageous EU investments.
Development of poorer areas
A total of 1.7bn euros (£1.3bn) of the UK's money from the EU budget went into projects benefitting the least-developed regions of the country as well as supporting social cohesion and job opportunities.

So where is the other £58.7billion destined for ?

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waz-24-7 wrote:
turtle wrote:Perhaps if the EU hadn't demanded £60billion on exit there may have been a bit more goodwill ?

The bill which will indeed be large it is for accepted liabilities. The bill would include the UK’s share of outstanding pensions liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects.
There is substance in the bill and certainly EU development projects within the UK over past decade have improved many deprived regions that are outside of the south east of UK.
In particular the regions of South East Wales and the North East have had numerous advantageous EU investments.
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Pensions for whom?

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Probably for the euro fanatics like guy verhofstadt, and juncker the under!!!

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Ragged Robin wrote:
waz-24-7 wrote:
turtle wrote:Perhaps if the EU hadn't demanded £60billion on exit there may have been a bit more goodwill ?

The bill which will indeed be large it is for accepted liabilities. The bill would include the UK’s share of outstanding pensions liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects.
There is substance in the bill and certainly EU development projects within the UK over past decade have improved many deprived regions that are outside of the south east of UK.
In particular the regions of South East Wales and the North East have had numerous advantageous EU investments.
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Pensions for whom?[/i]


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